VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 2, 2023 21:23:03 GMT -7
You fucking pathetic cowards, you disgust me. You call yourself Sith of the caliber of this holy place... fuck you, you are an infection. Kurai, a worthless and pathetic wretch that feeds on others in order to sustain herself. Victrolis, a self proclaimed master of the Sith that can't even begin to tell me what passion means, and a fucking set of children biting at my ankles in some inane attempt to injest even a drop of the blood of my greatness. oh and then there is praxis, to scared to even show his pathetic face here again after I told him the truth of kurai and her treachery.
You fucking pathetic vermin... eat shit and die like the slime you are. Where are the true Sith of this land... I have yet to meet a single one.
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Ominus
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Post by Ominus on Jul 2, 2023 21:48:51 GMT -7
Very good questions my friend. Thank you. While this worldview takes more than a few paragraphs to describe I shall try my best to answer your questions. Sithism is not a cult, it is a way of thinking about the world from the point of view of the individual. It is a practice that strives the shed the trappings of societal rules and moral paradigms in a pursuit of personal excellence and ultimate meaning in one's life. Some call this a will to power but I find that too limiting. I call it a will to meaning. I call it this because I find the idea of the pursuit of power to limiting as a default definition. To answer your questions,: No Sith do not dress a specific way. They dress according to the passion they pursue. Some wear suits, some wear flight gear, some wear jeans and t-shirts. The dress does not matter, the passion they pursue does. Some sith meet with others and some do not. It depends on personal preference. Some train together on sites such as this and others do not. It's about individual preference and freedom of choice. Some sith do conduct rituals, others do not. This is, once again, because of the freedom of personal choice. Some sith are occultists and some are not. As for temples, once again a personal preference. I have a personal alter that is meaningful to me. I think all sith have something similar but there are no rules as to what that may mean. To one sith it may be a trophy wall, to another it may be an offering to a God or Goddess in their practice of witchcraft. It just depends. The point is of a central theme though, it is freedom of choice. Also some sith keep records called holocrons and some do not. I am one that keeps a holicron and if you would like to see it I would be happy to give you a link. Finally the pursuit of power is a personal one. Some strive for money, some strive for power in character development. The definition of power is a fluid one in our worldview and each sith has a different definition of what power means to them. The one binding factor in this pursuit however, is the idea of overcoming fear in the creation of action in our lives that drives us to our goals regardless of outside influence. OK good, I like this. Although I do see the Sith as a cult, if you are taking your inspiration from fiction. There is a transmission from master to disciple, a lineage, agenda and empire that goes beyond just individual empowerment. Do you incorporate any of that into your path?
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 3, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -7
OK good, I like this. Although I do see the Sith as a cult, if you are taking your inspiration from fiction. There is a transmission from master to disciple, a lineage, agenda and empire that goes beyond just individual empowerment. Do you incorporate any of that into your path? Another great question.
Doesn't any great paradigm have an element of fiction and myth? Think of the myths in the bible that Christianity is based on or the legends behind the masons. Wicca is also based on ancient legend and myths of Gods and Goddesses. Ours just happens to be a more modern form of this idea. Some people put way too much emphasis on this though and it can become confusing. When you start to take the fiction and use it as gospel and study it for real life application its gone to far. The real life pursuit in calling oneself Sith is really nothing like what the fiction portrays beyond a few core philosophies.
And yes places like this do have a "ranking system". The idea is that new Sith study under a seasoned member of the group who has mastered the ideals and philosophies this place endorses. As the Sith apprentice learns they can be ranked up to the rank of Knight and finally Lord. Other places have similar systems and different ideals that must be mastered. Some training sites use the term "darth" instead of lord for example. The problem with any of these training sites is that there is no defined set of minimum standards that anyone can use to gauge the actual prowess of the learner. And so today what you have is a very mixed bag of few fully trained Sith mingled in with a lot of pretenders and rank chasers who take shortcuts or claim titles they have not really earned.
Mastering the ways and philosophies of the Sith is something that takes years if not decades. You will never truly earn a title just because you claim it and you will never earn one when you are "17 years old." It just doesn't work that way. It takes years of study and reading and experiencing and hard work that can be tangibly seen in the life of the Sith through the accomplishment of concrete and corporeal goals. And in these goals the sith set the bar very high. One does not achieve victory simply by being depressed and then "getting out of bed anyway". I have actually seen that claimed as a victory before and its total bullshit. Sith are accomplishers, corporate ladder climbers, adventurers, Travelers, business builders, Masters of martial arts... the list goes on. These hallmarks are what defines a Sith as a knight or a lord, not some rank they were given on a website. And its clear for Seasoned Sith to recognize that in others.
These are the empires sith build. But these are not the only empires sith build. They are also building internal empires by gaining inner strength and that leads to inner power mentally and psychologically. All these ideas lead to physical power in the world and internal power over self in the pursuit of victories and the ultimate goal of freedom. A sith that has mastered these ideas does not follow the crowd in life, they are the leaders in the world and when they set their mind to something they go after it no matter what. This is where the idea of shedding societal and moral boundaries, which the sith sees as nothing more than social constructs that will not stand in the way of the Siths pursuits. In these ideas lies the fact that A sith can be free in life, Even if that sith were imprisoned physically because they are free in their mind as well.
These are just some of the ideas and I hope this helps you to understand better.
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Ominus
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Post by Ominus on Jul 3, 2023 12:39:32 GMT -7
OK, it sounds good but it's a bit general and abstract. Can you give me any specific examples of how you or someone else is living the Sith path as you describe? What notable things have you achieved outside of posting on forums? Picture, videos and other evidence would be helpful. People can say anything on forums; the question is what can you actually demonstrate that you've done?
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 3, 2023 13:18:06 GMT -7
OK, it sounds good but it's a bit general and abstract. Can you give me any specific examples of how you or someone else is living the Sith path as you describe? What notable things have you achieved outside of posting on forums? Picture, videos and other evidence would be helpful. People can say anything on forums; the question is what can you actually demonstrate that you've done?
One of my most recent passions that many here can attest to is the creation of my own martial arts school. I have a passion for martial arts but in the place I live now there were no schools so I took it upon myself to create my own. I recruited local talent, found a facility to rent, joined the local rec board and got sponsored at the schools, and I contacted an established federation to get the school credentialed. We now have 15 students and are growing as we work toward being certified. This is an example of overcoming fear of failure and building the strength to act in leadership. As the school grows and becomes more well known I gain power both internally and externally. Organizations like the police force and rescue org now want us to seminar self defense courses. I have a voice in city government now as well. And I get to follow my passion of Martial Arts. I created something that I desired where nothing existed before and that is my personal freedom. It is my will to meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2023 22:04:54 GMT -7
OK, it sounds good but it's a bit general and abstract. Can you give me any specific examples of how you or someone else is living the Sith path as you describe? What notable things have you achieved outside of posting on forums? Picture, videos and other evidence would be helpful. People can say anything on forums; the question is what can you actually demonstrate that you've done? I appreciate how your like me in ways....asking for proof and physical evidence. you can go find my proof in my topic thread I started. so for any newb who wants to hear my story there's part of it, goals/what I'm doing, my past, and my present. so if any newb comes in here go refer to that. mind the insults cause I'll just ignore you even if you have worth or merit.
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Ominus
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Post by Ominus on Jul 4, 2023 18:56:14 GMT -7
VixenV, what you are describing sounds like good old American individualism and go-getterism. What makes this "Sith"? The way I see the Sith, there is a mystical/magickal/cultish element that goes beyond mundane individualism-- a religious feeling of being guided by the Dark Side and a desire to build an empire. Do you feel any of that? If not, why call yourself Sith? Aren't you just another mundane American preaching self-reliance and high achievement, like Tony Robbins or whoever?
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 5, 2023 10:43:28 GMT -7
VixenV, what you are describing sounds like good old American individualism and go-getterism. What makes this "Sith"? The way I see the Sith, there is a mystical/magickal/cultish element that goes beyond mundane individualism-- a religious feeling of being guided by the Dark Side and a desire to build an empire. Do you feel any of that? If not, why call yourself Sith? Aren't you just another mundane American preaching self-reliance and high achievement, like Tony Robbins or whoever?
Well in the first place you asked for real world tangible examples, not the philosophy behind them. So I gave you a real example. Secondly Tony Robbins is a self-help guru the likes of which are typically shunned by Sith. Self-help is really just mental masturbation and does nothing to “build empires” as you put it.
And yes that rugged individualism could go by a myriad of different names. What makes one Sith though is that Sith follow a specific code; The Sith Code. And Sith spend their lives deeply studying the aspects of this code and then using the revelations they find to create a philosophy. Part of that exploration includes studying real world viewpoints such as Nietzsche, ethical concepts, relevant myths and legends and existential questions. And in turn the adoption of such philosophies is what drives a Siths life.
And yes, “The Force” and in particular the dark side is a part of this idea. The idea here is the division of good (moral) and evil (immoral) in the world. Sith see this as nothing more than an artificial social construct. Some consider it a real energy field and others consider it a metaphorical concept and their practice is based on their belief. As a result, some believe magic is real and some do not. I personally believe magic is a combination of will, action and perseverance; nothing particularly “mystical” there other than the fact that most can’t seem to put this combination into a natural, common practice as Sith do.
This is because of another concept Sith study, the breaking of chains. These are limitations in the psyche that hold us back from greatness; mental blocks, moral obligations and social pressures. Breaking these artificial constructs allows Sith to admit to themselves that they do nothing that does not benefit them personally; and to embrace that. Many stories in history focus on the hero. Sith are not interesting in the hero of the story, they are interested in the villains story. This is because they see the villain not only as the antagonist but also the initiator of action in the story. There would be no story without this initiation of action. Sith want to be the initiators of action in their own story and they consider the hero as just another obstacle to overcome to achieve their desire.
Part of this pursuit involves the shedding of moral concepts such as good and evil as well as “so called” negative emotions. Every hero in every story is some one else’s villain from a different point of view. Sith are interesting in this alternate point of view and delight in telling the story from the villain’s point of view, thus making the villain the central character. Nothing is black and white and there are no such things as negative emotions. Hate, anger, fear, lust, or envy are the tools Sith learn to harness and utilize in their pursuits of excellence. Manipulation coercion and negotiation become powerful instruments as well. In short Sith do not believe in the “selfless act”.
And they also learn to conceal themselves among society. A wolf that charges into a herd of sheep and growls and attacks and shocks the sheep will soon come to be feared and will be the target of the shepherd. The wolf will quickly be hunted and killed. However the wolf that dons the sheeps clothing and integrates themselves into the herd, only taking what it needs while feigning collaboration, is able to build mighty empires within themselves and within the herd. It is the following of these ideas that make one Sith.
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 5, 2023 21:10:07 GMT -7
OK, it sounds good but it's a bit general and abstract. Can you give me any specific examples of how you or someone else is living the Sith path as you describe? What notable things have you achieved outside of posting on forums? Picture, videos and other evidence would be helpful. People can say anything on forums; the question is what can you actually demonstrate that you've done? I appreciate how your like me in ways....asking for proof and physical evidence. you can go find my proof in my topic thread I started. so for any newb who wants to hear my story there's part of it, goals/what I'm doing, my past, and my present. so if any newb comes in here go refer to that. Mind the insults cause I'll just ignore you even if you have worth or merit. Pick your mastery, life goal, martial art, mental prowess.. It does not matter. I challenge you, head to head, to a contest of your choice. And I will win, because you are weak and full of shit. Make your choice or shut the fuck up like Lycuegius did. This is the apprentice challenging the master. I will defeat you and take your place or I will die.
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 7, 2023 15:52:15 GMT -7
I think the last thing that makes Sith philosophy unique is an innate sense of urgency brought on by the realization that one is mortal. this is facilitated by a brush with the abyss in some form. this creates a need to build, to accomplish or to create legacy in a manner that is free of the normal restrictions most people take for granted. These sorts of brushes can come from many areas of life but only creates epiphany in the highly intelligent. It is this same intelligence that has the strength to shed such superstitious ideas and controlling institutions as God, religion, reincarnation, the supernatural, and societal moral paradigms of the time.
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Jul 15, 2023 15:15:47 GMT -7
Angst and desire and envy drive me, not joy. My greatest desire is not to find success in life. I have that. I seek unconditional intimate friendship. I have spoken of this before and people think it unobtainable. However as a Sith I reject their opinion and will continue to search for my passion with perseverance. I know it exists, I have experienced it, but it did not last. My mission now is to discover why and then recreate it.
Perfection is unobtainable but that does not mean I should not still pursue it. This is even in spite of the fact that the "never ending game" for the individual is an illusion. The game is finite and we are all destined to lose.
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Post by Jacen on Aug 21, 2023 7:38:47 GMT -7
I have experienced it, but it did not last. My mission now is to discover why and then recreate it. Nothing lasts forever. Everything is fleeting. The only way to hold onto such things is through change. The more you do new things and have new experiences, the more you'll gain from it. Holding onto one thing will ultimately disappoint you.
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VixenV
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Post by VixenV on Aug 21, 2023 15:14:26 GMT -7
I have experienced it, but it did not last. My mission now is to discover why and then recreate it. Nothing lasts forever. Everything is fleeting. The only way to hold onto such things is through change. The more you do new things and have new experiences, the more you'll gain from it. Holding onto one thing will ultimately disappoint you. Exactly! Never scoff at an opportunity and think it is beneath you. Nothing is beneath Growth.
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