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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 11:59:57 GMT -7
Yeah I thought the new site would be a better home for this Order, but no one was using it. Besides, with all the material here, as it has been for years, it seemed redundant. In short, I changed my mind. As for articles, I honestly don't know what you're referring to. Sorry man. I didn't save anything from the new forum. I thought you did it because you wanted to teach not rehome an order, Draconis in my opinion will always be a major part of oots. I don't want to take away from him and it's alright. Some of those articles written by aurora Dizon and others were nice ones. Can you upload some of the knowledge you had over there and add it to here? I also saw activity from people uploading the articles and reading them. Your site wasn't really a forum as I saw it and saw you guys uploading all these articles from....somewhere. Secondly if you wish to build up something it will be dead for a bit and if you cannot wait it out then it's pointless. I have 16 members in my discord and recruiting elsewhere even though I'm still somewhat a focal point in the community....I was told that but I don't think so nor do I really wish to be. Anywho my forum will be there after I'm gone and the knowledge will be made public with a lot of my original works. I am patient and stick it out but it also doesn't cost me money so it's not diving into my resources/assets.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 6, 2023 14:37:24 GMT -7
That does not make sense because by definition we can never know what "the unknown" contains. It may contain pain, but it may also contain pleasure. So now it becomes something one irrationally fears, something not based in pain, simply the loss of comfort. That's my point. If you dont know something you cant also assign it attributes. I don't disagree. Some fear the unknown, and others look forward to it. My point is simply that those who fear the unknown are fearing the pain/suffering/discomfort/etc. it may bring. There is no other reason to fear. So would you agree it's more accurate to say they fear their perception of what may contain pain? And that perception can be controlled, even accepted. accepting the potential allows the fear to pass through them. This is the process of coming to anticipate the unknown, pain or pleasure, as a good thing that brings growth.
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Post by Jacen on Jun 8, 2023 7:45:52 GMT -7
So would you agree it's more accurate to say they fear their perception of what may contain pain? And that perception can be controlled, even accepted. accepting the potential allows the fear to pass through them. This is the process of coming to anticipate the unknown, pain or pleasure, as a good thing that brings growth. Agreed. I often try to teach people how to embrace their pain. Like you said, accepting it allows it to pass through you.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 11, 2023 19:08:21 GMT -7
So would you agree it's more accurate to say they fear their perception of what may contain pain? And that perception can be controlled, even accepted. accepting the potential allows the fear to pass through them. This is the process of coming to anticipate the unknown, pain or pleasure, as a good thing that brings growth. Agreed. I often try to teach people how to embrace their pain. Like you said, accepting it allows it to pass through you. How do you teach others to accept that pain so it may pass through them? what is your process? what are the details? this may be your opportunity to show people your prowess and gain new potential students that you say you desire.
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Post by Jacen on Jun 16, 2023 8:38:33 GMT -7
How do you teach others to accept that pain so it may pass through them? what is your process? what are the details? this may be your opportunity to show people your prowess and gain new potential students that you say you desire. I don't teach the "how", simply the concept. It's not something I can describe. I figured out how to do it on my own, and I can only suggest that people do the same. Of course, I've experienced a great deal of pain in my life, so I have had practice. I wish I could simply say what the steps are on how to do it, but I have yet to find the words. And I can't suggest that people seek out pain, so finding someone to share the idea with is problematic. As for students, I've sort of lost the taste for teaching individual people. Many have come and gone, and I simply haven't found anyone "worthy", for lack of a better word.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 16, 2023 11:13:21 GMT -7
How do you teach others to accept that pain so it may pass through them? what is your process? what are the details? this may be your opportunity to show people your prowess and gain new potential students that you say you desire. I don't teach the "how", simply the concept. It's not something I can describe. I figured out how to do it on my own, and I can only suggest that people do the same. Of course, I've experienced a great deal of pain in my life, so I have had practice. I wish I could simply say what the steps are on how to do it, but I have yet to find the words. And I can't suggest that people seek out pain, so finding someone to share the idea with is problematic. As for students, I've sort of lost the taste for teaching individual people. Many have come and gone, and I simply haven't found anyone "worthy", for lack of a better word.
I see. Yes I have experienced similar lack of description. Its funny how doctors and psychologists and zen masters and Buddhists all talk a big game and use lots of buzz words but when it comes right down to it, they have no real knowledge that can be shared. Its a never ending game of "just unattach and get over it"! yea how does that work? well release your emotion. but since the emotion is not a voluntary thing just how does one do that?
You are also right, too many people are seeking titles and to many people are claiming titles they have no business having. The community is being watered down by such individuals and it will eventually lead to its collapse.
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Post by Jacen on Jun 18, 2023 4:32:06 GMT -7
I see. Yes I have experienced similar lack of description. Its funny how doctors and psychologists and zen masters and Buddhists all talk a big game and use lots of buzz words but when it comes right down to it, they have no real knowledge that can be shared. I hear ya. I can say this... when I'm in pain, instead of shying away from it, I absorb it. I LOOK at the pain and see that it is merely a sensation and nothing else. I channel that pain into something that I can use. I realize that's vague, but it happens inside me. The quote I like from the book Star Wars: Traitor is, "[Pain] can be a slave master, and break you—and it can be the power that makes you unbreakable." I would actually recommend that book to better understand this topic, because it was upon reading it multiple times that it taught me how to embrace my pain.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 18, 2023 14:34:31 GMT -7
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Post by Jacen on Jun 20, 2023 8:32:02 GMT -7
Ah yes, I remember that experiment from years ago. It's fascinating. I imagine I wouldn't react quite as severely.
Though I don't know what point you're trying to make by posting that video.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 20, 2023 15:44:03 GMT -7
Ah yes, I remember that experiment from years ago. It's fascinating. I imagine I wouldn't react quite as severely. Though I don't know what point you're trying to make by posting that video.
simply the idea that what the mind imagines the body experiences. It relates to your control of pain. If it can be done one way where you feel the pain in a fake hand dont you think it can be done the other way where your actual hand is in pain but you feel nothing?
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Post by Jacen on Jun 22, 2023 8:17:11 GMT -7
I've never placed much stock in "pain suppression" or denial of its existence. Pain is inevitable in life, unless you're one of the few people with the disorder with which you don't feel pain at all.
A lot of things are just a part of life that can't be avoided. Like "fairness". Life is rarely fair, and yet I always hear people whine and complain that "This isn't fair!"
Yes, the mind can be tricked, but you'd have to provide some sort of evidence that pain can be completely suppressed to the point of not even feeling it.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 22, 2023 12:57:56 GMT -7
I've never placed much stock in "pain suppression" or denial of its existence. Pain is inevitable in life, unless you're one of the few people with the disorder with which you don't feel pain at all. A lot of things are just a part of life that can't be avoided. Like "fairness". Life is rarely fair, and yet I always hear people whine and complain that "This isn't fair!" Yes, the mind can be tricked, but you'd have to provide some sort of evidence that pain can be completely suppressed to the point of not even feeling it.
I'm not suggesting you can suppress it. I was just exploring the possibility. In fact in my opinion I think that ability would be horribly detrimental to the individual. Think of the stress the suppression of emotional pain would cause. Or the inability to sense something wrong with the body or the idea that external events are causing harm. I dont think anyone got time fo dat!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 12:08:48 GMT -7
I've never placed much stock in "pain suppression" or denial of its existence. Pain is inevitable in life, unless you're one of the few people with the disorder with which you don't feel pain at all. A lot of things are just a part of life that can't be avoided. Like "fairness". Life is rarely fair, and yet I always hear people whine and complain that "This isn't fair!" Yes, the mind can be tricked, but you'd have to provide some sort of evidence that pain can be completely suppressed to the point of not even feeling it. in truth it isn't fair. Life is full of shit and an eclectic sea of life with desirable n undesirable things. No one is equal. I've supressed pain before or had to use it as fuel to operate through it while doing self care. example I got hit badly in a sparring fight for kung fu and yet I had to keep going. No victim noises and just pure pain they say roar like a tiger. You learn to push past it and or like a past sifu get a broken rib yet still do another few hours of testing for sifu test. You can choose to ignore it if it's not suitable for you to feel pain and yet do proper healing work on it later. I told my body I am fine. pain went away and I just went on for a few hours. then did self care on myself afterwards. Depending on pain, one should stop or b push through it.
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Post by Jacen on Jun 23, 2023 15:38:55 GMT -7
That's absolutely true, Vixen. Well said. Pain has a purpose.
Kurai, if I understand correctly, you more or less embraced your pain as I've been describing. It's unfortunate that it usually takes a great deal of pain before one learns how use it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 16:12:44 GMT -7
That's absolutely true, Vixen. Well said. Pain has a purpose. Kurai, if I understand correctly, you more or less embraced your pain as I've been describing. It's unfortunate that it usually takes a great deal of pain before one learns how use it. Since I'm a premature 20 yr old feel free to ignore this rofl yet I propose a hunt. Hunt for pain. Observe the narratives. Where does the pain come from? Yes Praxus, friend hugs lol! I allow myself to feel pain and sometimes that pain hurts more. I can lash out and been working on allowing myself to feel yet hold center. I can feel like I wish to react of pain yet also choose something else instead of lashing out or doing something else in reaction to what I feel. ground. hold center. let it come and let it go. play. grow. explore. be curious. when it comes in ask yourself why? explore the narratives then let them go. pick something new to focus on and learn from the pain yet drop the rocks you keep carrying. let it go. be mindful of resistance. *howls and jumps in da water* wrooooooo I feel so playful today. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 16:13:45 GMT -7
That's absolutely true, Vixen. Well said. Pain has a purpose. Kurai, if I understand correctly, you more or less embraced your pain as I've been describing. It's unfortunate that it usually takes a great deal of pain before one learns how use it. Since I'm a premature 20 yr old feel free to ignore this rofl yet I propose a hunt. Hunt for pain. Observe the narratives. Where does the pain come from? Allow yourself to feel it and let it come then go. I'm curious to see where pain comes from and if your able to allow yourself to feel it without growing attached or being consumed by it. For some the pain is more and for others the pain is less. *trots off and howls excitedly* I never thought I'd be sharing a shadow tool here but oh well, it has it's merits.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 23, 2023 17:37:40 GMT -7
Praxis, based on your PM and recent rules set in place you will not be seeing Kurai in my threads any longer due to mutual agreement.
Violations of this rule will not go well... for kurai.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 23, 2023 18:36:54 GMT -7
Praxis, based on your PM and recent rules set in place you will not be seeing Kurai in my threads any longer due to mutual agreement. Violations of this rule will not go well... for kurai. I rescind this previous post. carry on as before. thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 18:38:16 GMT -7
Praxis, based on your PM and recent rules set in place you will not be seeing Kurai in my threads any longer due to mutual agreement. Violations of this rule will not go well... for kurai. I rescind this previous post. carry on as before. thanks! you are so impossible. oh well, I knew what you were doing from the start just trying to stir up trouble again.
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Post by VixenV on Jun 23, 2023 18:46:24 GMT -7
Please stick to the topic of this thread.
thanks.
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